What Jules will say and some info for others

Hi all,
Following discussions yesterday with Rachael and Jady, we felt it was best to leave examples like the Malaysia forests and the pine forests to the boys as they will need ammunition and they already know these areas.
In my bit I will not mention honesty at all, I will back up Rachael using the examples to show that sustainability has outlived its usefulness and hasn't worked. Jady can then use any of the examples I have introduced to build in the honesty idea.

I will start by talking about the tokenistic efforts being made by individuals to make changes to their life styles. Got a few stats for this.

Then Kyoto
Some good stuff from Olwen on Blogg.

Australia - How sustainable are they? Coal or nuclear - what choice is that and is it sustainable?

Petroleum companies BP and Shell (good stuff from Rachael on blogg)

Jon Shaws stuff on transport - is a full plane sustainable, surely its staying at home which is really sustainable. Have we got our perspectives arse about tit!?

Sustainability education - Most academics and students don't understand to concept and academics are reluctant to include the concept into their teaching practices as its not part of their subject and they don't know enough about it. Lots of talk, policy, strategy but very little actually happening on the ground where it counts. Not working! Universities are no longer venues of debate and discussion (except in SEM classes), big classes and widening participation make it difficult.

How can sustainability ever work without a massive change in values and attitudes.
We need another way forward. What can it be? Well we (our group) believe we have the solution, just wait 5 minutes and you will find out! The concept of sustainability has outlived its usefulness - it is useless!

Some thought which might be useful to Rachael.

The meaning of ‘sustainability’ and/or 'sustainable development' is ambiguous
Economics – the markets are not and will not change to be geared to SD
Social – we are all consumers and that will not change
Environment – very little is actually sustainable.
What we seem to be trying to do is reacting to unsustainability by using patch and repair tactics. Using a reactive methodology when it should be proactive.

Any comments/additions welcomed. Will bring a script tomorrow at 10 and we can have a run through. We need to think about possible questions as well. See you in Babbage.